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PostSubject: Shooters   Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:44 pm

Ok, So I haven't done much stringing, but I am starting to get more involved now.

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I have never weaved a shooter. I have only ever rolled my shooters. I searched TLF and google and only found a semi-decent explanation on how to do it, but I continue to do it wrong. I'm not sure if I need to twist the laces as I am weaving them, or try to keep them straight... Any pictures and or help would be greatly appreciated. I'll post some pictures to of the head I just finished stringing for some c&c.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:03 pm

Give me a couple mins...I'll show you how I do it, I'll take some pictures for ya.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:04 pm

i try to keep them straight but i haven't seen a difference in my sticks. then again i'm no stick doctor. but we do have some good stick docs that are regular on the site and i'm sure they can help
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:23 pm

i gotta charge the battery on my camera, i'll have pictures up by 5.


Ok here we go.


1) I just weave half the shooter through the mesh going in and out as you can see.



2) I start weaving the other half going through the same holes, but opposite side.




3) Once you get to the end tie it off.



Sorry for the gigantic pictures, forgot to resize them.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:10 pm

With weaving, if you try to keep them flat similar to the way you would do a rolled shooter, you will get a much smoother release compared to if they were twisted.

Twisting will give you a little more feel, but will eventually break in to be on the smoother side.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:17 pm

Nice pictures and info guys
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:15 pm

Perfect, I got everything in and will post pictures sometime later. That really helped, thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:39 pm

No problem, if you ever need any stringing help feel free to ask.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:41 pm

Do my calculus ?
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:36 pm

Haha, maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:05 pm

yea remember the idea with a shooting string is to manipulate the way the ball is released from the pocket, but it's an interesting balance because while you want the shooters to effect the release, you dont want them to dominate the pocket.

keep them flat as best you can-this will help that smooth release TDF is talking about. if you have them all bumpy and twisted it wont make a DRASTIC difference, but it'll be a bit sloppy.

wonderful tutorial Anthony.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:43 pm

Thanks...as for the tightness of the shooters, I have the top one(the last one the ball will hit on it's way out) the tightest. Then I just play with the other's until I get the release just right.

I usually do this by pulling them tight, but not tying them off. I throw with the stick until it throws just right, and at that point I tie them off. If it still throws just a tad bit off, I go back and make small adjustments until I get it right on.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:30 am

AHSlax21 wrote:
Thanks...as for the tightness of the shooters, I have the top one(the last one the ball will hit on it's way out) the tightest. Then I just play with the other's until I get the release just right.

I usually do this by pulling them tight, but not tying them off. I throw with the stick until it throws just right, and at that point I tie them off. If it still throws just a tad bit off, I go back and make small adjustments until I get it right on.

right, this is also important to remember when applying your shooting strings to your stick.

a few other things on "shooting string theory" regarding the different variety of strings.... there are generally nylons, straight lace, "V" lace, and "U" lace.

the NYLON(s)
usually you see a nylon strung across the top of the pocket in the top 2-5 rows of diamonds(in a 10d Stick). these are generally strung EXTREMELY TIGHT so as to prevent the ball from coming into contact with the lip of the head upon the ball's release from the pocket. these can be both weaved or strung, i usually weave because it a)takes less string and is b)less tedious.

STRAIGHT LACE
the purpose of the straight lace is the same as the Nylon, to prevent the ball from hitting the lip of the stick, but the lace tends to do this with more grace and style than the nylon. laces are usually weaved or rolled(big surprise here). the important thing to remember here is that you should keep the laces as smooth/flat as possible (as mentioned in previous posts).

now it gets interesting in my opinion..... nowthen, as i have conspired...

the "V"
the purpose is to guide the ball out of the pocket as it is traveling down the channel of the pocket.....i'm not sure how effective this is, but it's the excuse i've come up with for why people use the V in their pockets. i personally have never used one in my pockets..... but anyway, once again weaved or rolled... follow rules as above with the laces.

the "U"
the excuse that i can come up with for using the U in a pocket is for providing the ball with a place to rest in the pocket as you(the player) are cradling down the field. not sure if that makes sense..... usually you find a U lower down inthe pocket so that it can do it's theorhettical(sp) job, but i've also used them higher up in the pocket for a)better hold in a higher pocket? and b)style. once again weaved or rolled,,,, but i think a U looks WAYYYY Better rolled.




gimme some feedback/thoughts on this post, i might take some of the ideas from this thread and turn this into a guide that maybe i can submit to TLF??? so let me know if this makes sense(not just from stick doctor to stick doctor but from player who doesnt string his pocket to doctor)... i'll work on pictures too.


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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:31 am

OH!!!!!

as your strings progress downward from the lip of the head/pocket to the throat of the stick,,,,, TIGHTER TO LOOSER.... like anthony said earlier.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:52 am

I have V/Us in both my heads, mostly to help form the pocket. I do like to think that it helps guide the ball out straighter, since it does make a nice channel in the pocket.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:43 am

All my heads are currently strung with two straight nylons rolled acrosse the top, then two weaved lace shooters beneath in U's. U's provide a channel as well as a release shooter. You get a combination of a V and a straight by using a U.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:26 pm

I don't neccessarily think the the U/V shooter will make the ball more accurate, but I do think it helps form a more distinct pocket. I personally use a U in all my pockets (except a 6D cyber.)
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:51 pm

It helps channel the ball to release more at the tip of the scoop, giving you a better pocket formation, if you like it like that.

Ive noticed when I have all straights that on some shots that if the ball isnt controlled it wont release as straight on as what I have experienced with a U in there.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:56 pm

Right, for me at least, the U helps form the pocket up and down the head giving the ball a nice channel to come out straighter than just having the shooters go across. Just my opinion and how it has worked with me.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:32 pm

or you could string a stick with a really nice channel so there is no need for a U/V shaped shooter.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:08 pm

like said above the channel can be created in the way you string your sidewalls...the u and v shooters tend to be used for ball retention to help hold the ball in position when cradling
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:42 pm

what provides the most hold? V's or U's?
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:23 pm

all depends how you string it, and it's not necessarily the U that is going to give the head whip.
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:15 pm

For more accurate shots would the V be better for attack?
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PostSubject: Re: Shooters   Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:48 am

Doesn't matter, accuracy doesn't come from how your head is strung, although it helps the release; it comes from spending hours and hours shooting.
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