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PostSubject: Vote!   Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:07 pm

As nonpartisan as I can say this, don't forget to vote tomorrow!
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:46 pm

i can not wait for this political process to end 21 month of this stuff gets so sickening
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:41 pm

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i can not wait for this political process to end 21 month of this stuff gets so sickening

I just can't stand the phone calls from both candidates.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:27 am

I'm not going to vote, but I can say that I'm glad it's going to be over. I'm sick of turning on the TV and seeing this crap(political stuff) on every channel.

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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:33 pm

I don't quite get how people don't vote. If you absolutely despise each candidate then possibly, but otherwise your opinion is going completely uncounted for. Although I'm thankful for it, a good majority of people that didn't vote would have voted for Kerry in 2004, and he likely would have won.

On that note:

McCain-Palin '08.

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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:33 am

I don't vote because in the big picture my one vote doesn't matter. Also, I just don't care either way who was elected and rather than vote for one, I'll just deal with whatever one gets elected...in this case Obama.

The day we get a candidate that I can actually say, I like what this guy/girl stands for...then I'll vote.

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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:01 am

question: how do you "not care either way who is elected".

it's understandable that you want to be completely behind a candidate before you give them your vote. i get the part about how your individual vote doesn't quite have a very loud voice ESPECIALLY given the fact that the popular vote has little influence on the way the electoral college elects a president... but to all together not vote entirely?

my rational: there were hundreds of thousands before me who gave their lives to ensure that i am free and to secure my right to vote. so i'll take the 20 minutes out of my morning to register at the polls and let the government hear my voice(no matter how big or small it may be)

the next four years are going to be pretty darn interesting....
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:22 am

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I don't vote because in the big picture my one vote doesn't matter. Also, I just don't care either way who was elected and rather than vote for one, I'll just deal with whatever one gets elected...in this case Obama.

The day we get a candidate that I can actually say, I like what this guy/girl stands for...then I'll vote.

This is exactly how i feel. even though i actually voted this year.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:24 am

best man won.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:34 am

OBAMA!!! :-D
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:06 am

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question: how do you "not care either way who is elected".

Answer: Because from what I have read and seen, both of them had things I liked and things I disliked. Neither really had anything stand out to me that made them a better choice over the other.

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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:47 am

I voted for Barack, because I wanted to finally agree with Storts on something fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:31 pm

While I voted for McCain, it was not because I felt he would be a good president. I unfortunately, for the second election in a row, felt there wasn't a good choice. We could either vote for someone who has been a senator for nearly 4 years, and almost half of that time has been campaigning to be president, so hasn't accomplished anything. Or I could vote for someone who was trying to ride being a POW to the white house. To those of you who don't vote, honestly to me you are a disgrace. Not just thousands of people died for our right to vote, millions have. Revolutionary war, WW1, WW2 all for the civil liberties we enjoy today. You spat in their face when you chose not to vote. While I'm mildly upset we won't have a republican president, I'm happy that something can finally be done to improve our country. Let's not for a second think that it will be all because of Barack Obama, it will be because the House, Senate, and Presidency all belong to the Democrats. So bills will pass, and things can get done. I don't believe Obama will be a poor president, but let's recognize that the Senate and House are just as (if not more) important.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:15 pm

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To those of you who don't vote, honestly to me you are a disgrace. Not just thousands of people died for our right to vote, millions have. Revolutionary war, WW1, WW2 all for the civil liberties we enjoy today.

thats actually the only reason why i voted
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:43 pm

I have a very interesting take on voting. I however did not vote this year, for many reasons. Much like many others say I believe that until a state gets decided by one vote, which I believe is incredibly rare. Also being only 19 years of age, I dont think my life would dramatically change to much wether the president be Obama or Mccain. I dont pay taxes, Im just a college kid living off my parents money still. When I grow older and i'm on my own, I think I will gain a much greater respect for the whole thing. I also did not vote because I wasnt very educated on what either of the canidates stood for. Its pretty apparent alot of people voted for Obama because that was just the thing to do, he was just kind of the guy to like it seemed like. Mant of my friends sure as hell dont know why they are voting for who they are, they just do it to do it. To me it would be much more of a wasted vote to make an un-educated one and do it, rather than not vote at all.... just my two cents.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:12 pm

That is not a very interesting take on voting. That just shows you're a lazy pile of crap. You realize what is going to be done in office the next 4 years doesn't just effect those years, but the many years after. I agree many people vote for someone because "it's the thing to do" and that's wrong. But to use that as an excuse for not voting is ridiculous. It's not like you're given 5 minutes to decide who to vote for. Watch TV once in the year preceding, read one article, do something. But to neglect voting is anti-American.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:56 pm

I hear both sides of the argument, and I think that voting just for the sake of voting isn't what this country stands for, in my opinion what is considered "American" is having beliefs, researching those beliefs and acting upon them, based on what is better for the COUNTRY AS A WHOLE, not what benefits you or your family the most. (Perhaps my opinions are too Utopian, but I can hope cant I?)

People have been calling Obamas policies 'socialistic'. Voting against a candidate just because his tax policies takes away from YOUR FAMILY'S money, is greedy, Capitalistic and (in my opinion) Un-American. I can't wait to see the day that our country has transitioned to Peace and we're concerned with the well being of the American People as a whole.


Either way, everyone should vote, how hard is it to take a minute to research the candidates policies and issues, and make an educated decision based on your finding? We'll see in due time whether this monumental election has any effect on the poor state of our affairs.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:00 pm

Deal with it Butters, I don't vote and don't see myself voting anytime soon. It has nothing to do with being lazy...it has to do with not caring one way or the other. People who vote with out knowing what they are voting for are far worse than those that don't vote at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:12 pm

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Voting against a candidate just because his tax policies takes away from YOUR FAMILY'S money, is greedy, Capitalistic and (in my opinion) Un-American.

Unfortunately, greed and capitalism define our nation more than anything else.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:32 pm

not a big fan of capitalism, eh jack?

i agree with you on the issue of taxing the families that are making $1000000+ a year, but one of the president elect's biggest tax policies is the heavy taxing of large corporations on wall street. this is something that boggles my mind...

what happens when the government starts to tax the @ alien pale silent out of large corporations? the corporations have to find a way to pay said taxes. how do these large corporations find the money to pay said taxes? they take the prices on whatever it is that they provide(goods or services) and jack them through the roof. who has to pay these outrageous prices? the consumer ---> everyone.

you do know that america was founded upon the principles of capitalism... specifically a small document written by a Scottish philosopher by the name of Adam Smith: "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations." So in a sense, all of what we enjoy today has a root in capitalism.


if that's incorrect then somebody let me know... i'd love to hear about it.
and i might just get hit with the ban-stick...

the voting issue:
making an uneducated vote is indeed worse than making an educated decision not to vote. likewise, voting because it's the thing to do is the same thing as an uneducated vote. still doesn't excuse the write-in or third parties...


i love/hate politics, it's sooooooo opinionated.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:48 pm

Pat you wouldn't get banned for stating your opinion respectfully, its when people start throwing negativity around is when we have a problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:49 pm

DwinsChamps wrote:
Jack wrote:
Voting against a candidate just because his tax policies takes away from YOUR FAMILY'S money, is greedy, Capitalistic and (in my opinion) Un-American.

Unfortunately, greed and capitalism define our nation more than anything else.

That is very unfortunate indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:07 am

Politics pretty much suck...another reason I tend to stay out of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:04 am

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Deal with it Butters, I don't vote and don't see myself voting anytime soon. It has nothing to do with being lazy...it has to do with not caring one way or the other. People who vote with out knowing what they are voting for are far worse than those that don't vote at all.
No, they are equally bad. They are equally un American and neither of those groups of people deserve to have rights if they wont' exercise them. I don't have to deal with anything, what you have to deal with is knowing that you don't deserve any of the rights that people gave their lives for you to have. And yes I realize this will be deleted by Jack/Jaron before many of you can read it, and guess what, that is what our country will be like for the next four years. Welcome to the new USSA, where money is taken from the rich and given to the poor who did nothing to earn it.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote!   Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:18 am

Butters wrote:
SiouxLax wrote:
Deal with it Butters, I don't vote and don't see myself voting anytime soon. It has nothing to do with being lazy...it has to do with not caring one way or the other. People who vote with out knowing what they are voting for are far worse than those that don't vote at all.
No, they are equally bad. They are equally un American and neither of those groups of people deserve to have rights if they wont' exercise them. I don't have to deal with anything, what you have to deal with is knowing that you don't deserve any of the rights that people gave their lives for you to have. And yes I realize this will be deleted by Jack/Jaron before many of you can read it, and guess what, that is what our country will be like for the next four years. Welcome to the new USSA, where money is taken from the rich and given to the poor who did nothing to earn it.

Why can't we ever have a discussion without Butters making it personal? Butters you are like the overbearing Aunt that everyone has that always takes everything too far at family gatherings...

hows that for making it personal Wink

love you anyways butters, but i wish you'd think of the connotations of what you are writing and how it looks to outsiders.
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