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PostSubject: 2009 All-State Selections   Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:47 am

Does anyone have the official list for the 2009 all state selections. they read them off at the state championships today, but i haven't seen it posted anywhere online. i know the goalie from neenah (Ben Birtch) didn't make the list and i think that's ridiculous, he was easily the best goalie in the bay valley and although the bay valley might not be the strongest conference in the state, i still think hes all state material.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:55 am

Staright from the Source:

Wisconsin Lacrosse Federation All State recognition -
This award goes to the top players at each position including three attack, three midfielders, four defense, a goalie and a specialist.
Players are listed by name, team and conference. Also included is the Coach of the year, assistant coach of the year, Man of the year and the volunteer award.

Attack
Jesse Frank - Arrowhead - MAYLA
James Clemens - Bay Port - Bay Valley
Randy Patrick - Sun Prairie - MALA

Midfield
Tim Neuman - Regent - MALA
Tyler Fixx - Waunakee - MALA
Chase Garavat - Wausau - Bay Valley

Defense
Michael Quebbeman - Arrowhead - MAYLA
Sam Seramur - Marquette - MAYLA
Andy Strenski - Bay Port - Bay Valley
Tyler Brewster - Waunakee - MALA

Goalie
Alex Gradecki - Marquette - MAYLA

All American
Alex Gradecki - Marquette
James Clemens - Bay Port

Academic All American: Cory Elfman - Regents - MALA

Coach of the Year: Mark Howard - Arrowhead - MAYLA

Assistant Coach of the year: Chris Green - Neenah - Bay Valley

Man of the Year: Dave Wollin

WLF Volunteer Award: Bob and Kit Simpson
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:08 pm

who's james clemens?
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:19 pm

James Clemens is one of Bay Ports attack... I've only seen him play once vs Arrowhead, but he had a solid game vs the Warhawks to say the least.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:56 pm

what do they base all americans off of?
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:46 pm

I'm not sure although I do find it interesting that in the two years its been done, no Madison player has been selected. The last two years have been one Milwaukee, and one Bay Valley player....

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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:10 pm

it must not just not be based off goals, assists and points
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:33 pm

i think a lot of it is coaches polls and i heard that some coaches didnt even really vote for all of the awards (all-state, american or all conference). from what i've seen, (majority of the bay valley) the coaching is pretty weak but some teams just have strong athletes to compensate for it. i'm not saying all coaches in the conference are bad either, there definitely are some good coaches who know their stuff but there are also a few who could use some work. you don't need to know everything about lacrosse as long as you can be a good coach and a leader, it works for any sport.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:04 pm

splacrosse17 wrote:
it must not just not be based off goals, assists and points

Are any awards? People who think post season awards should have emphasis placed on points are foolish at best.

Like most awards, All Americans are likely nominated and voted on by either coaches or a selection committee. Skill, leadership, value to your team, and other factors are all taken into account.

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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:18 pm

People who think that points don't have a big part of all conference/american etc awards are foolish at best
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:45 pm

i dont see why any madison players are not winning all american.... i think there is much more talent in madison than there is bay valley
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:58 am

Lets not get into this argument.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:07 am

MontanaInMiddleton wrote:
Staright from the Source:Wisconsin Lacrosse Federation All State recognition - This award goes to the top players at each position including three attack, three midfielders, four defense, a goalie and a specialist.
Who was the specialist?  Or am I mis reading this whole thing, cause I cant seem to find that.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:30 pm

I'm still going to stand by my argument. Points cannot be taken into account, and you can see it at most levels. A lot of teams play weak schedules, can boost stats in blowouts, or have tons of talented players around them to support their high point seasons.

Other players could play strong schedules against all of the best teams, get pulled at halftime, or play on a totally weak team with no supporting cast.

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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:52 pm

^^i definitely agree with that.


another thing is, there were teams this season who were so deep in talent and well balanced in performance that no one really stood out as "the dominant player". several starters on teams like wausau, arrowhead, middleton, waunakee, or marquette could have been thrown onto a team with less talent and put up some insane numbers that normally would have been spread out on one of the top tier teams. just an opinion.

i think thats why the all state list or all conference lists will never completely satisfy anyone.

but i dont think points should be completely thrown out of the equation, because i think no matter how lopsided your team scoring is, its really impressive for someone to put up numbers like whitey on sun prairie did this season.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:48 pm

thanks man
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:13 pm

Whitey, home many goals did you score, and how many assists did you have throughout the season?
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 All-State Selections   Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:14 am

65 goals and 25 assists
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